UPDATE: This post is currently on Reddit’s front page. Thanks! I’m getting tons of views but not a lot of people are clicking through to the linked article. Be sure to go read it. Don’t just take my word. I’ve also been seeing comments around the internet about this issue which point out that GoDaddy is not specifically named as exempt in this bill. This is true, but that’s not what the article claims. It claims that companies like GoDaddy are exempted and that GoDaddy helped write it.
UPDATE 2: There is a little controversy and confusion in the comments section. The fact that GoDaddy helped write the law and the fact that they are exempt are not necessarily related. We don’t know that they wrote an exemption for themselves. Please don’t jump to conclusions. GoDaddy themselves just say, via their press release, that they helped redefine terms in the law and proposed limitations on DNS filtering, etc. I see where the confusion comes from. But please, read the article I sourced AND THAT ARTICLE’S SOURCES. Again, don’t take my word on any of this. Read things for yourself. It will be made much more clear. Honestly, this post is just blog spam that got lucky on Reddit. The original article that I linked to is what should have been posted to Reddit, but since it was me, I feel obligated to make sure as many people as possible actually read the source. Thanks!
You may have heard about the mass exodus of customers from GoDaddy due to their support of SOPA. You may have also heard that GoDaddy no longer supports SOPA. The problem is, only one of those things is true. While GoDaddy no longer publicly supports SOPA, that is just a PR move. They have not withdrawn official support for the bill, let alone actually come out in opposition to it. But it gets worse. According to [THIS ARTICLE], not only did GoDaddy help write the damn thing, they are also exempt from complying with the law!
Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO), the only member of Congress present at the hearing with any tech experience, having founded several web companies, introduced two amendments: one to exclude universities and non-profits from being subject do having to shut down their own domain servers if accused of piracy under SOPA, and the other to exempt dynamic IP addresses, such as those found on web-enabled printers. Both were voted down.
Polis pointed out that SOPA and Smith’s amendment already excluded certain operators of sub-domains, such as GoDaddy.com, from being subject to shutdowns under SOPA.
“If companies like GoDaddy.com are exempt, why aren’t non-commercial domain servers exempt?” Polis asked.
I was willing to forgive and forget if they actually changed sides and informed Congress of their official opposition to this bill. But they never will. They are too far in bed with the scumbags in Congress who are writing the bill. In my opinion GoDaddy is a lost cause. Let the boycott continue!
Boycott on everyone!
I recall good old times, when goDaddy was the please to go for cheap domains…
How long ago?!
GoDaddy must have whored out their spokeswomen (read, sluts) to Congress.
Its just a ploy on the part of goDaddy to enable them to force the shut down of any or all of their competitors at will.
All they need to do is file a complaint through a proxy or few.
Its non competitive, un American, and big business in a nutshell..goRepublican should be boycotted in the next election too.
GoRepublican? Take a good hard look at your own side of the isle buddy. There is just as many rat bastards pissing on your civil liberties (if not more) on the left. The Dems have done nothing for you but talk
Since when is being non-competitive un-american? America has always been setup where you need wealth to create wealth, and if you own a business you can write your own laws and get away with anything (like 7 trillion dollars for example). Sure a few get lucky and make it through the net. especially lately with the wave of internet technologies over the last 20 years… but the only reason the few world elite at the very top allow that to happen is cause it keeps the other 90% of us still american dreaming that it could happen to us one day.
and yet Harland Sanders managed to get a multi-million dollar restaurant chain started with his social security checks…
kinda blows a hole in your theory that you are being held down by the upper class.
I just think you are plain lazy and are looking for another excuse for not being successful…
Chicken Sock Puppet, don’t you realize that you’ve just reinforced the point that Lucas Vore just made; allow a few successes so that the rest of us can keep dreaming? I mean, how many competitors does KFC have anyway? And who’s to say that Harland Sanders’ success story is really accurate? Were you there to see him through every step of the way? After all, it’s pretty easy to spin a story about a the success of an entrepreneur – since it’s after the fact.
The only reason there is an “exemption” is because the amendment specifies that SOPA is directed at foreign sites rather than domestic. DoDaddy is considered domestic and is subject to domestic laws (he ones that can more easily be enforced) rather than a site like ThePirateBay, which US law cannot target directly.
Calling Godaddy “scumbags” here is pretty absurd. Have you read the amendment in question? Do you trust Polis blindly?
How much does it cost to “help” write legislation? I mean how many congressmen does it take and how much does each one cost? I would really like to write some laws.
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No, seriously. GoDaddy did not “help write SOPA”. They also are only exempt because ALL domestic sites are exempt – and that’s because domestic sites can be targeted by domestic laws making SOPA unnecessary from a legal point of view.
That makes things even worse in that ANY American can shut down ANY foreign site at will? Free speech bedamned? Only in America or when it does not upset Americans?
Harrumph
The sites won’t be shut down. US citizens simply won’t be able to access them. What do you expect when sites like ThePirateBay spend years aiding the distribution of materials protected by US Copyright while flaunting their supposed untouchability?
I expect congress to lash out feebly at the behest of the lobbyist that they take donations from like they are with SOPA. And then I expect the internet to lash out against anyone and everyone who supports this censorship. Then, after SOPA is passed, I expect the internet to go around SOPA easily and laugh at how inept and worthless the legislation turned out to be. Piracy will continue. This bill will do nothing to stop it. All it will do is hurt innocent people who aren’t tech-savvy and have no idea why their favorite sites are unavailable. Anyone savvy enough to know that pirate bay exists and what it is is also savvy enough to download the simple firefox plug in that rendered SOPA obsolete before it even became law.
From the GoDaddy press release: “Go Daddy and its General Counsel, Christine Jones, have worked with federal lawmakers for months to help craft revisions to legislation first introduced some three years ago. Jones has fought to express the concerns of the entire Internet community and to improve the bill by proposing changes to key defined terms, limitations on DNS filtering to ensure the integrity of the Internet, more significant consequences for frivolous claims, and specific provisions to protect free speech.”
So yes, they’ve helped write the law. Of course they make it sound like they’re helping the internet community by “redefining terms”, the but fact is, they don’t oppose the bill outright like they should. Therefore, the boycott should continue.
Alright then, perhaps they had a hand in crafting the bill. But that doesn’t change the rest of the issue. GoDaddy is only exempt because ALL US sites are exempt. And US sites are subject to domestic laws so they’re not exempt from the law, just exempt from a law directed a foreign sites.
Right, but no one every said that they are specifically named in the bill or that they are exempt BECAUSE they helped write it (at least a little bit). They’re two separate points against them. The purpose of my blog post at least was to show that they have not reversed their support for SOPA and still deserve to be boycotted. In fact I would argue that it’s much too late for them even if they truly did reverse their decision to support this bill. The damage has been done.
Then why even include the argument that they are exempt? They’re only exempt in the same way every domestic company is exempt – which means they are still subject to US Copyright law. And if you look at the comments on Reddit, almost every poster is clearly assuming that you’re saying that GoDaddy wrote in exemptions for themselves specifically. You may not be literally saying this, but your wording clearly allows a worst case interpretation.
“But it gets worse. According to [THIS ARTICLE], not only did GoDaddy help write the damn thing, they are also exempt from complying with the law!”
I can see where the confusing comes from. I’ll post an update to the blog post to clarify. What I meant by the sentence was “We already know that GoDaddy helped write the law (because of their press release) but did you know they’re also exempt?” The two issues weren’t meant to be connected necessarily.
That’s more than fair. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not pro GoDaddy or in favor of SOPA. I just think that outrage should be for the right reasons.
I added a second update to this blog and then copy-pasted both updates to the comments section on the reddit post. I normally get about 200-300 hits per day on ths blog and most of them come for my beer and music reviews. I suddenly feel much more responsibility now that I’ve gotten thousands of hits on this one article. Thanks for keeping me accountable.
“All it will do is hurt innocent people who aren’t tech-savvy and have no idea why their favorite sites are unavailable.”
If the favorite site in question is the aforementioned Piratebay, then these people are not legally “innocent”.
Piracy is illegal, regardless of any one person’s personal viewpoint. The efforts to enforce US copyright by US legislators is an expected response regardless of whether or not it’s effective. SOPA is a response. If you find the response abhorrent, maybe you should look to the sites promoting piracy as they created the conditions demanding the response. Without them, we wouldn’t have SOPA at all.
This is just where we’ll have to agree to disagree. But then again, I’m a kooky anarchist haha. I believe that a bad law deserves to be broken just on principle. Thanks again. You’ve been the only dissenting opinion so far and I always appreciate disagreement and discussion.
Really disappointed in your tunnel vision on this issue. This goes much deeper than your distaste for link sites like Pirate Bay. I enjoy the freedom and ability to decide what is right or wrong for myself as opposed to the media corporations trying to revive outdated business models and using lobbyists to bri.. I mean influence congress to make these decisions for me.
Have you ever loaned a movie or music cd to a friend? Then welcome to the world of piracy. Avast matey!
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Civil disagreement is the path towards understanding. I don’t support piracy, but I can’t fault someone who does. I may not like the act of piracy, but the reality is piracy is here to stay, and I think businesses need to adapt rather than hide behind a growing wall of laws.
Thanks for the dialog. Bookmarking your site now.
Hm. I think we agree more than we think. My problem is when companies use the force of government to just ruin things for everyone rather than adapting. I believe that piracy largely is a market signal. It means you need to do something differently. Just to be clear, I DON’T support people counterfeiting and pirating things for profit. That just seems wrong. But I like the way Switzerland handles the issue. Downloading for streaming for personal use is not illegal there. In fact a study in Switzerland seems to suggest that “piracy” for personal use actually increases sales. I know that for me, every single album I bought in the last three years was a direct result of my listening to the entire album multiple times on youtube before buying. That is considered piracy by these companies. I also sometimes download a video game before I buy. But I always buy it if I like it or throw it away if I don’t. I wouldn’t have to do that if game companies still released demos. To me, that’s a market signal that companies should change their business practices and release free demos.
LWalker is a giant troll. First he says he doesn’t support SOPA then he says he supports it.
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There should be no reason for the common man to support SOPA in my opinion. It directly goes against our right to free speech. Mike had a good point, and I’m sure many people do the same thing, where they download an album but then go buy it after if they like it. Not only that, but “piracy” (term loosely used), definitely helps bands get more attention when everyone has access to their music. What ever happened to music being about the music and not about the money? It seems pretty clear to me that all SOPA will do is give the government control over what you can can cannot view. Who the fuck are they to try and control our opinions and what we learn? Like B.R. said: “I enjoy the freedom and ability to decide what is right or wrong for myself.” So do I, and I’m sure so do many others. Something needs to be done if we want to keep our freedom. Is it a coincidence that they are trying to pass SOPA as soon as so much shit is going down in the world? I doubt it.
Boycott ALL the things!
screw godaddy. they are too far in bed with the congress writing bills which turn USA into China.
If SOPA/ PIPA passes here’s my observation of US:
If SOPA/ PIPA passes people outside USA need to show the mirror to US president, if he EVER dares to criticize others for lack of democracy or criticism directed towards other countries who censor their own people.
What would be worse is that USA will lead the way for the rest of the countries to start censoring people. so was china right all the time ? turns out they are the shining beacon of example how to contain people, even USA got it wrong!!!
Basically piracy is theft, if you believe downloading for free, things like Films, Music, Video, Games, Software etc, is good, then why not just steal them from your local store; because you would be too scared to, because being caught would land you in prison or a hearty fine.
It’s time you realised SOPA protects the good public from criminals, and many of the owners of these sites are bigger criminals that you think, many run drugs, control prostitution and launder money. Mind you, most of you are probably too thick to realise any of this!
Read before you spout off. Streaming songs on youtube is considered piracy and would be made a felony by SOPA/PIPA. Lots of people discover the music they end up BUYING by hearing it first on youtube. For me personally, every music purchase I’ve made over the last 3 years is a direct result of sampling the entire album multiple times before buying. I also “pirate” video games before I buy them to make sure I’m not wasting my money.
“Piracy” is largely a market response. The consumers are telling video game industry to release free demos like they used to in the 90′s. They’re telling the music industry that we don’t like the record company model anymore and we like and support bands that release things on their own. (Incidentally, a lot of new bands prefer this model as well.) They’re telling the movie industry that their DVD zoning and distribution models are outdated and need to change.
But rather than get with the times, these companies are just bribing the government into making innocent people criminals. How about, instead of criminalizing their own customers, these companies change their business models? Movie companies can do away with the stupid DVD zoning practices. It’s a global market now. Having regional releases contributes to piracy. Game industries can release demos and offer special features to people who actually BUY the games like Valve/Steam does.
The music industry is actually getting the picture. A lot of new bands are realizing that maybe they don’t want to pay over 60% of their profits to a record label so they’re self releasing their music for free online. Then they make money on merch and concert tickets, i.e. things that can’t be pirated.
In Switzerland, it is actually legal to “pirate” things for personal use as long as you don’t make money on them. They realize (and studies actually show) that downloading leads to purchases. What the entertainment industry is doing with SOPA is like if scribes were angry at the inventors of the printing press for making their jobs obsolete. So they tell the government that a few printing presses are printing bad things, so the government needs to have the power to burn down any printing press it wants to.
What you end up with is stagnation. The development of new things is stifled, new companies are afraid or can’t afford to enter the market, and worst of all, the government now has even more power to block free speech. Oh but it’s just to stop piracy right? Yeah, we all know that government power is always used ONLY for the things it was originally intended. Governments NEVER overstep their bounds, right?
EDIT: And about the drugs and prostitution thing, it’s not that we’re “too thick” to realize it. It’s that you haven’t posted any proof that your statements are true. You can’t just assert that streaming websites also run drugs, you have to prove it. And if you CAN prove it, then why don’t the cops just arrest them for that?
Understand the law before you spout off.
OK so you say that listening to music on YouTube will become an offence.
NOT TRUE
It might be an offence to listen to a version which has not been approved for publication by the Copyright owner, but that is not a carte blanche, they are protecting owners rights, not yours as you have none unless you own the copyright.
Demo and Pre-purchase listening
Not sure where you live, but we have a thing called a Radio, this device plays songs from many major and also minor artist 24/7 365, there is a massive choice of listening genre, and stations which specialize in niche areas. If that is not good enough for you there is the internet and the regulated internet radio. Band websites, these days they have a full line up of their latest albums, some bands also have a comprehensive listing of historic material. Also as for bands releasing their own stuff, via their own label, many do, and many still use the might of the multinational industry, it’s the bands choice not yours.
OK Demo games, my local Library and Video store do rental release for a few dimes plenty of time to see if you like or dislike a game, and the larger games shops here have between 10 and 50 live chairs to play in-store, so why waste time downloading, to think of it both also do the latest movies and Albums by many artists, and the Library is free!
DVD zoning, you are having a laugh, you have been able to purchase a DVD, and also BluRay for some time which is multi-zoned, so that issue is historic, and it’s not illegal to own, play or purchase different region DVD or BluRay.
You show your ignorance saying merchandise (I think this is what you mean by merch, but it was probably too difficult for you to spell) and concert tickets, but these things are all pirated, often cheap copies of Tee Shirts are sold in boot sales and markets, and as for tickets, well forged ones are not uncommon, again by people who would rather obtain wealth by criminal means, than by lawful. Also concerts themselves are bootlegged, and the band receives $0 for all of that!
Switzerland has little proof that it’s strategy has worked and is also under pressure to alter the way it is dealing with piracy.
As for providing proof, maybe you should find a search engine and search there is plenty of links to the links between piracy and organised crime, but here is a starter for you.
http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/music-piracy-organised-crime.pdf
By the way, I had a friend murdered by pirates, I know what evil your hopes and aspirations bring.
According to the director of the Institute for Intellectual Property and Social Justice at Howard University School of Law, “Perhaps the most dangerous aspect of the bill is that the conduct it would criminalize is so poorly defined. While on its face the bill seems to attempt to distinguish between commercial and non-commercial conduct, purportedly criminalizing the former and permitting the latter, in actuality the bill not only fails to accomplish this but, because of its lack of concrete definitions, it potentially criminalizes conduct that is currently permitted under the law.”
Oh right! Great idea! Which station plays Electric Wizard where I live? Oh right, none of them. You seem to want us to be forced to stick with old media. Internet radio is a great thing too. I use Pandora every day, but they don’t play entire albums. If I hear a single from a new band that catches my interest, I go to youtube to listen to the rest of the album. If it turns out I don’t like the rest of the album, I’ll just go back to listening to the licensed single on Pandora. But you know what I do if it turns out that I do like the whole album? Well, in the case of Electric Wizard, who I mentioned above, I went out and got a turntable and a new stereo just so I could buy their album on vinyl. Do you want to know what I did while I waited for their record to be delivered? I listened to them on youtube because I was so excited. While listening on youtube, the “related videos” section introduced me to several new bands that are similar to Electric Wizard but which Pandora doesn’t play. I subsequently ordered even more records from other bands who I would never have discovered. Downloading and streaming leads to sales.
Again, you seem to want us to be forced to stick with old media. Sorry, times change. Video stores are becoming obsolete now that we have Netflix and Hulu. And yes, I pay for Netflix. I don’t even watch TV anymore because many of my shows are available free and legal online. When a movie is not in theaters, not available on DVD, and not available on Netflix, THEN I go to the “pirate” streaming sites. A HUGE portion of online piracy stems from the unavailability of things. Media companies would do well to recognize that and update their business model if they don’t want to be left behind. Companies that change will thrive (Valve/Steam) while companies that don’t will lose customers (print media).
I’m not just talking about DVD zoning, in fact that aspect of the issue is becoming irrelevant since physical media is going extinct. I was also talking about release distribution. Many movies come out in Russia weeks before they come out in the U.S. This contributes to piracy. Some people would rather watch a shaky camcorder recording of a movie instead of waiting 2 weeks for it to come out in American theaters. Childish? Sure. But that is just a fact. The solution to that fact is to change the way distributed releases work, not to criminalize their fan base. The industry wants to take a nuclear warhead to an issue when a surgical scalpel would be much more appropriate and effective.
Oh don’t be an ass. You know perfectly well that “Merch” is a common abbreviation for “Merchandise.” Let me google that for you. Sorry if you’re not hip to the new lingo, grandpa. Oh look, it’s even in webster’s dictionary. First known use, 1982.
Sorry, you can bootleg a DVD of a concert, and you can record a concert with your iPhone, but you can’t bootleg a concert. A crappy cellphone video of a concert is not a concert.
Little proof? [HERE] is a summary of a study conducted in Switzerland that concludes that current copyright laws in Switzerland are sufficient. “The report states that around a third of Swiss citizens over 15 years old download pirated music, movies and games from the Internet. However, these people don’t spend less money as a result because the budgets they reserve for entertainment are fairly constant. This means that downloading is mostly complementary.” The link also has a direct link to the study itself in case you’re afraid the article is biased.
And [HERE] is an article about a Dutch study that concludes that the economy actually benefits from file sharing.
Yeah thanks for the link, but the very first thing I read was the name and slogan of the organization which is “IFPI: Representing the recording industry worldwide.” You don’t think that’s a biased source? I mean, sure, I linked to torrentfreak, but you can always skip that and click through to their sources which are not affiliated with torrent sites.
The report you published deals with physical counterfeiting for profit, which everyone agrees should be illegal. And you know what? IT ALREADY IS. We don’t need a new law, much less one that would make it a felony to stream music online. There are already laws against every issue you’re concerned about. “Oh but they’re not working!” Yeah, and neither will SOPA, for the same reasons. There are already ways to get around SOPA and it hasn’t even been passed yet. Just because something is illegal and has violence associated with it doesn’t mean it SHOULD be illegal. In fact, violence is associated with it BECAUSE it’s illegal. Did we learn nothing from alcohol prohibition? Are we currently learning nothing from marijuana prohibition?
Sorry about your friend but anecdotes are not evidence. When you say murdered by pirates, do you mean they were murdered BECAUSE of piracy? Or were they murdered by people who happened to be pirates? Because if it’s the latter, that’s not that surprising considering most people pirate music. It’s just statistically likely that if you get murdered, your murderer will have downloaded a song or movie at some point. If your friend’s murder was specifically linked to piracy, then that’s not surprising either. Lots of people were killed over the alcohol trade during prohibition. But then we legalized it and now no one kills each other over alcohol. But I suspect what you mean by piracy has to do with physical counterfeiting for profit, which is already illegal and should stay illegal. What we’re taking about on the blog and what should NOT be illegal is streaming music and movies for personal use.
Lastly, you didn’t respond to my concerns about giving the government more power. We know that governments always overstep their bounds and new laws are never interpreted as narrowly as originally intended.
occupy GoDaddy
Milton Grimshaw
no one disagrees with you
its the implementation we do not trust
see the great wall of china if you are clueless
I’m not clueless and your analogy with the Great Wall of China, is somewhat short sighted. China might not have the freedom of speech embodied into it’s constitution and it’s people might be bound and gagged from speaking their minds, But when it comes to piracy and copyright infringement they are the kings, as the country does not recognise copyright. Sounds like you need the clue!
milton grimshaw
you win the grand prize for most retarded statement of 2011 and probably 2012, i can’t see anyone coming out with more crap than you just did for a very long time, go troll somewhere else clown.
You win the grand prize for the ability to not be able to understand plain English, but then again, you have not even added to the content of the debate, so that makes you the Troll.
Get a life and think of constructive arguments, not your baby spitting it’s dummy out type like your above statement!
Milton, you spout off about how people don’t know English, yet your grammar is beyond poor compared to theirs. Keep it classy, man.
“By the way, I had a friend murdered by pirates, I know what evil your hopes and aspirations bring.”
I’d like to see some documentation, a page or even some news clipping of this “murder” if you don’t mind. I have a feeling the underlying cause was absolutely NOTHING to do with piracy but another criminal activity of which piracy could be a part of. If your friend had an attitude anywhere near yours, I have this horrible feeling that he probably instigated his own demise with that narrow-minded, lobbyist-paid-by-greedy-corporation thinking that you appear to display also.
I wish you guys would stop calling Godaddy “whores”. Most whores are honest workers, exchanging a honest service for honest money. When was the last time you’ve seen a whore trying to push a multi-billions package through Congress? Nope, most whores have more integrity than most corporations, and certainly more than almost all of the politicians (I exclude Ron Paul and a very few other exceptions).
My main opposition to this bill is that it does not effectively stop piracy. We will still be able to get to our favorite sites via IP. This bill just lays the foundation for censorship and enables large corporations to stifle growth of smaller competing businesses by claiming they are distributing copy-righted material.
I lost all support for GoDaddy after reading about Bob Parsons shooting all those elephants in Africa as a way to “help” the beleaguered villagers, instead of using his fortune to find a more humane way to deal with the problem. What a bastard.
Let me guess. Godaddy is Jew owned?
Read the Talmud people and The Protocols of Zion. A Jew-Bolshevik revolution which resulted in the deaths of 66M Christians is being planned in the US.
Yes GoDaddy is run by Jewish reptillian bankers from Atlantis. Also chem trails. Nibiru. 2012.
Haha Get out of here with your kooky conspiracy theories. We have real problems to deal with. …Actually you know what? Stick around. Every Thursday on this blog is “Critical Thinking Thursday” where we talk about logical fallacies.
Wow.
This really puts a whole new light on the subject. It shows how the government does things. Large corporation are brought on board the agenda by exempting them from the laws they help write.
It’s called “Fascism.” We are on the fast track toward it.
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“not only did GoDaddy help write the damn thing, they are also exempt from complying with the law”
You can replace GoDaddy with Congress, Pelosi, Reid, Obama…… HOLDER………. does it matter anymore? The US is heading down into the gutter.
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